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OMG LOVE.

I like the fact that everyone talks almost exclusively about the characters instead of the plot or the villain or whatnot, and I can see why. Not only did they cast the PERFECT actors in every role (except Uhura - I found Nichols' portrayal to be far more classy and elegant), but this was as much character-driven as any TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT episode, PLUS it had the special effects and action we've always craved (remember when they finally showed the battle of Wolf 359 in First Contact?).

One thing is bugging me, though...

So - alternate timeline (as hinted at in dialogue), changed canon, or other? I mean, ok, I can see a little bit past the whole "Spock met his future self" or "Kirk's father and Spock's mother died long before they were supposed to" or "we now know the future of Romulus and can change it if we wanted to," but how the fuck are we supposed to look past VULCAN NO LONGER EXISTS? Or do we simply wait until events unfold as they will in the far future and avert the disaster that sends both Spock and Nero back in time, thereby changing everything back to canon once again? I mean, it's not that I don't LOVE time travel stories, but in every instance in the Trek universe they've always pushed the big shiny red Reset Button, and this time they didn't, nor did they give us any clues as to what happened next (begging the bigger question, what are they going to do next - movie sequel with this cast? New series?).

HELP ME OBI-WAN STAR TREK GEEKS, YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE!

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jayjaybear
May. 11th, 2009 03:06 am (UTC)
It's my understanding that, for all intents and purposes, this is a complete reboot of Trek continuity. Either all previous canon has been changed by time paradox, or this is a parallel universe where the previous canon will never happen.
phreespirit
May. 11th, 2009 03:48 am (UTC)
This was my thought too.

Besides, I like this one: Spock <3 Uhuru! Woo Hoo!
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sistercoyote
May. 11th, 2009 03:10 am (UTC)
Alternate timeline in that what happened in TOS still happened (as evidenced by the presence of Spock Prime) BUT things will now play out differently than they would have. However, TOS is still canon, just not current canon. If there were no TOS, there would be no Spock Prime. An argument could be made that the current timeline will attempt to adjust itself so that it is more in line with TOS timeline, but of course time is trickier than that.

Also, now that I've confused you, my understanding is that the cast has signed on for two more films as long as this one is a box office success.
esprix
May. 11th, 2009 03:56 am (UTC)
Not confusing at all, actually - that makes sense. I'm going with "parallel timeline that split from the moment Nero went back in time." I can grok that. The big shiny Reset Button would be, of course, Spock getting a jump on the star that destroyed Romulus. :)
robearal
May. 11th, 2009 03:10 am (UTC)
It's temporal paradox. You just have to accept it.
esprix
May. 11th, 2009 03:56 am (UTC)
I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING! :P

;)
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doniago
May. 11th, 2009 03:10 am (UTC)
I suspect any future movies will occur in this timeline with the current actors. No Reset Buttons I bloody well hope. Destroying Vulcan was a ballsy thing to do...to Reset that would be just awful IMO.
I was a little unclear on the exact nature of the disaster...I get that Romulus is destroyed and all, but I thought Spock was working to prevent that? Was he too late, or...?
esprix
May. 11th, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
He said something about it being an "unthinkable" thing, so I'm guessing some un-accounted-for variable in the star's explosion made it go faster than they anticipated, and therefore Spock wasn't able to launch the red matter in time to stop it from destroyed Romulus.
verix
May. 11th, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)
I am pretty much looking forward to other features featuring this cast, especially Simon Pegg as Scotty. Holy shit he was perfect.
esprix
May. 11th, 2009 04:11 am (UTC)
A little more over the top than Doohan was, but no matter - he was excellent as he always is. "I'm givin' her all she's got!" What a classic. :)
verix
May. 11th, 2009 04:00 am (UTC)
Also I got into a classically nerdy argument with my father (who was actually on an episode of Star Trek!) that this counts as a prequel. I told him that it's not, because it's still technically a continuation of the same storyline because it's in a parallel universe. He disagreed.
esprix
May. 11th, 2009 04:11 am (UTC)
Prequel...ish?
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mikhalmc
May. 11th, 2009 04:25 am (UTC)
Paramount has already greenlit the next movie with this cast. I believe that the entire cast was contracted for three films right off the bat. I think JJ did an amazing job rebooting the Star Trek Universe. Yes...technically, this wipes out continuity as we know it....but fortunately, we all own the dvds and can go back and watch them whenever we want.

I'm looking forward to what comes next.
schnuder
May. 11th, 2009 05:15 am (UTC)
An alternative timeline was created at the moment Nero traveled through time and destroyed the Kelvin. In this new timeline all of the Trek cannon has been erased, except for Enterprise. It's a separate timeline, and going by the logic of the movie, only Nero, his crew, and Spock were the only ones who would be able to come from the original timeline to this new one.

I really hope they don't mess with it any further as I like the reboot, It's darker, more dramatic, and still very culturally relevant (did anyone else catch the parallels with the events of Sept 2001?) My bet is the next movie will follow this one chronologically and will address the Federation's other major enemy of the time, the Klingon Empire.
3dollarwm
May. 11th, 2009 11:43 am (UTC)
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<I like the fact that everyone talks almost exclusively about the characters instead of the plot or the villain or whatnot, and I can see why.>

The villain was pretty hot, I must say. I didn't recognize Eric Bana under that make up, but I wouldn't have minded his hanging around if he could get over that revenge obsession.

I also thought Chris Pine did a good job conveying a familiar Jim Kirk without trying to imitate William Shatner.
rvrjoe775
May. 11th, 2009 02:46 pm (UTC)
The movie ended and I sat there amazed we were left with a broken timeline and even more amazed that I was okay with that. It frees them up for new stories but can pick and choose from previous canon if they want.

As to the future, we know from this movie that Starfleet is very busy in the Laurentian system - whatever that is.
akirashima
May. 11th, 2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
All the actors are signed up for 2 more movies
i think the time travel thing was PERFECT this time
also my only problem was Yeah the romulan ship was BAD ASS but Honestly doesn't anyone in the federation even have a satelite in orbit anymore!? no planetary big ass weapons for when that eventual big ass stellar core fragment comes and where the hell was the rest of the vulcan fleet! they had faster warp. they have a FUCK TON of ships. hell there should have been more than ten thousand of them in space or on other planets as it is. No planetary escape pods. nothing. in a universe where the end of the world is always around the corner you would think they would oh i do not know keep a lot of thier people on other planets for such an occasion. besides in Enterprise they were everywhere and had colonies and extra planetary temples and all manner of thing.

that was my only complaints
1 there should be MILLIONS of vulcans out there yet
2 My tent at pennsic is better defended than Vulcan or Earth. and i leave my damn zipper open half the time...
eridun
May. 11th, 2009 04:28 pm (UTC)
"2 My tent at pennsic is better defended than Vulcan or Earth. and i leave my damn zipper open half the time..."

omg, that's great.

As for the movie - loved it. I really don't mind that they strayed from canon, it works. Totally works. I really can't wait to see where this universe goes either, the possibilities are really varied but given how well they did this one I actually trust that they won't let us down and will give us a new story that we can get behind.
harlkyn
May. 11th, 2009 04:34 pm (UTC)
And here I thought your biggest gripe was gonna be the inexplicable Spock/Uhura love twist.
barbaatus
May. 11th, 2009 05:38 pm (UTC)
I am operating under the premise that there is now the Prime universe (I am calling it that based on old Spock being billed as Spock Prime in the end credits) and the Beta universe.

The timeline that we all know and love has not been erased; it still exists. The events of this movie have simply created a new, parallel, reality.

I am basing this theory on the events of TNG episode "Parallels", where Worf finds himself shifting randomly through parallel realities. The explanation given is that for every possible action, all possible outcomes actually occur; we only experience one of the particular "tracks" but all the others exist in a seperate quantum reality.

So Spock Prime merely shifted into one of those parallel realities and set this new universe in motion. Next Generation, DS9, and Voyager still take place...just in a different reality.
sftyson
May. 11th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
I'll agree. It's great that all I am talking about is how great they developed the characters.... the rest of your thread... far to trekky for me :)
minotaurs
May. 12th, 2009 02:23 am (UTC)
Wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey, stuff, you know?
esprix
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:17 am (UTC)
Dear Stuart,

This was the last reply you posted in my LJ. How appropos, too - geeky to the end, which is why we were such good friends. I regret not replying back now, but I'm sure I replied to your LJ/DW at some other point before... well, just before.

I just wanted to note this entry, and tell you that I miss you. A lot.
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