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For my SCAdian friends


Two amusing threads:

The first, in which some simple advice is offered in sca, followed quickly by drama of the highest, and finest, order. Alas, the original reply is gone, but it amounted to, "This is yet another example of the condescending, rude and insincere CLASSIST attitudes in the SCA," calling upon all those who fit that description to wear a favor emblazoned with a tampon (including the obligatory picture of one).

Some agreed - in fact, I think all of us in the SCA can agree that Authenticity Nazis are, indeed, condescending, rude and insincere. However, heaped upon this particular post was wholly unwarranted (which, of course, the person who replied now denies they were implying at all), and the vast majority of people are calling this person on their own condescension, rudeness and insincerity. Hilarity ensues - over 600 replies and counting!

The second thread was a follow-up post in sca_snark about the first thread.

I haven't seen this much SCA drama since Pennsic! :)

Comments

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robearal
Nov. 26th, 2008 04:11 am (UTC)
I'm not an authenticity nazi. I just hate it when people don't do the proper research.
esprix
Nov. 26th, 2008 06:42 am (UTC)
Which is fine. Rudely pointing it out to someone is, of course, just plain rude. Assuming that anyone who has advice to offer is an authenticity nazi is equally as rude.
schnuder
Nov. 26th, 2008 04:34 am (UTC)
I didn't know that people were so against ring belts and tankard straps. I know they're not 100% authentic, but they're SCA tradition, a lot like the use of the title 'troll' for those who do check-in and the improper pronunciation of 'Chirurgeon' (which is really pronounced very close to surgeon).

As for the drama and the people who bring it on, one of these days I'm going to do a fascinating study that'll likely get me kicked out of the SCA. I still have my theories based on my own experience.
esprix
Nov. 26th, 2008 06:42 am (UTC)
And lord knows we've both had a lot of experience...
akirashima
Nov. 26th, 2008 01:52 pm (UTC)
personally that post was so hilarious i still cannot stop laughing about the tampon as police night stick image. Which is why i was so amused. it holds many levels of hilarity to me.

Also the amount of replies are not all to that individual. there was a lot of strange hate there. people just came out of various corners raging about this and that.

personally i think what the SCA really needs is a dose of history about the society. hell did you know we used to have elves in the society. Lord of the rings was acceptable reference at one time.

things change yes but not always for the better or worse. in this case i am still deciding. Something i would like to see go the way of the idea that dinosaurs were cold blooded and drug thier tails is the who conversing openly about period and non period. it is not period to say it is not period. indeed many of the cultures represented would never have anything to do with each other. and some of the things i saw posted as not period are PERFECTLY period but perhaps not for that individual. like ring belts. they were very early and later came back as a fashion but what people seem to forget is there is no pre period. i have heard that from a seeming hundred laurels. Also the colour pink being brought up. HOLY HELL that one was stomped to death ages ago. I cannot remember the name of the lady but she showed almost 30 period ways to get it and a ton of reference for it. yet there are still a hundred million period nazis that say it is not period.

the main difference between the nazis and the just authenticity mavens is that nazis scream for people to conform to thier ideal of what is period (usually focused solely on thier period and persona and often very uneducated about it) and that the Authenticity maven will nicely teach what is period. though again they oft times are focused on one period.

heck what was out of fashion in one place in europe might have been the hieght of fashion in another. and still more peasant folks would have had hand me down everything many many decades out of fashion. if not even older.
jencendiary
Nov. 26th, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)
I object to the use of the word Nazi in this thread. Offering suggestions towards historic portrayal in your historic recreation hobby is nowhere comparable to wholescale genocide and unprovoked invasions of one's surrounding nations.

That is all. carry on.
esprix
Nov. 26th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
Authenticity Police, then? Or something else?
jencendiary
Nov. 26th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
Eh. Police are more often than not working on your side.

How about Busybodies?
esprix
Nov. 26th, 2008 11:25 pm (UTC)
Well that they certainly are! :) But a catchy phrase to encompass their ilk succinctly would certainly be good. Must ponder... ;)
akirashima
Nov. 29th, 2008 07:30 am (UTC)
so does this mean i can call our founding fathers and government nazis considering the genocide of native peoples? and of course their invasion of those native peoples nations already existent at the time and taking all sovereignty from them and placing the refuges in large land allotments that basically broke down to large unfenced concentration camps?

besides if some of these people in this historic recreation hobby had thier way they would indeed round up offenders and have them removed from the hobby at the least and injured or otherwise removed from reality at the most. this kind of violent opinion often inspires thoughts of nazis as they were not exactly known for thier tolerance either.

also nazis while still in existance today are very much a part of history and well they may not period but their methods were. well except gassing. OH GODS THANK YOU THE CATHOLICS NEVER FOUND SUCH WEAPONS! i can only imagine how much damage they would have done on crusades if they had!

ok thats it Authenticy Inquisitors!
jencendiary
Nov. 29th, 2008 07:36 am (UTC)
I don't appreciate your attempts at baiting.
akirashima
Nov. 29th, 2008 07:51 am (UTC)
Heh do not know me well then since i was not hardly baiting. simply stating things. nor were my thoughts in jest.

sorry the internet has made you think all people must be such trolls if they say things. but then i guess you can be excused for not understanding the actions of such people in the SCA such as causing injury to people by ripping off glued on ears and such actions. or cornering some little girl and making people have to rescue the crying child because some Authenticity Inquisitor is screaming at her that pink is not period when it is. Or having them try to make it that even people that paid to be in the event would be forbidden to enter if they were not period entirely.

Also suggesting that a group of people that invaded another's land and killing them is exclusive to one group is kinda limited. many many nations have commited grand atrocities against others through history.
jencendiary
Nov. 29th, 2008 08:02 am (UTC)
I do not care to continue this conversation.
esprix
Nov. 30th, 2008 12:36 am (UTC)
Actually, he's not baiting, he's just being Theaddy, who tends to ramble on off-tangents. I can testify he's as much against Authenticity Inquisitors (or at least those who would be so rude as to drum out people who don't conform to their definition of period and/or what they think the SCA should be) as any of us. He is, like I am, in this to enjoy ourselves, and, at the same time, learn something about history and make our best attempts to recreate it within the SCA's scope.

Really. :)
esprix
Nov. 27th, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
Oh, I agree that authenticity police are rude and should be treated as such, but I think in this particular case that calling them tampons was way over the edge, plus the particular post wasn't even one of them (and I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the person who replied was indeed lumping the original poster in with that group since he was directly replying to the post, despite his protestations to the contrary).

I also agree that the SCA has changed, and I, too, appreciate the diversity it's added to the group, so I'm more than willing to overlook the pink or the ring belts or the eyeglasses or the healthy shoes or whatever IF THEY ARE ALSO MAKING AN ATTEMPT by not drinking out of Coke cans or hiding their iPods or not wearing jeans and so on.
akirashima
Nov. 29th, 2008 07:34 am (UTC)
but pink IS period. VERY FUCKING PERIOD. it has been proven over and over and over. in art in archeological finds in text. hell hot pink that is black light reactive has been found in mongol finds. no matter how much people hate pink it is very period very.

and i think i hit on the name for them since some take exception to it.

Authenticity Inquisitors! (though horribly late for my period and the wrong country) i think it could work. though i still think they need tampons as a device

of course the most unperiod thing is mentioning it is not period
esprix
Nov. 30th, 2008 12:37 am (UTC)
OK, pink is period, fine, and although I agree that said Inquisitors are rude, I don't think calling them tampons, nor calling the original poster of that thread, is anywhere near appropriate. If you're sinking to that level, you're just as bad as they are.
akirashima
Dec. 1st, 2008 08:00 am (UTC)
i never said calling them tampons was ok. just funny. and the badge made it look like a tampon and applicator were a police nightstick which was a wonderful pun on period police. it also reminded me of and old story i herd long ago in the SCA

man sitting with a can of pepsi when along comes a Authenticity Inquisitor and says that it is not period
without batting an eye the person responded with "Of course not! that would be disgusting!"
suba_al_hadid
Nov. 26th, 2008 02:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I tried to read it looking for the drama, but didn't get far enough to find it (tldr). Woot! Now I can haz popcron :)
esprix
Nov. 26th, 2008 08:27 pm (UTC)
You might find it amusing. I'd recommend starting at my second link.
suba_al_hadid
Nov. 28th, 2008 02:59 am (UTC)
I did - iz why I was thanking you for the links - I had read it on my own but didn't get to the drama, so your link helped me. Sorry I mangled my earlier thanks so as to confuse ytou :)
esprix
Nov. 30th, 2008 12:38 am (UTC)
Ah, ok. SCAdians are funny. :)
montrealais
Nov. 26th, 2008 04:25 pm (UTC)
Here's a drama,
there's a drama,
and another SCAdian drama,
nasty drama,
Nazi drama,
drama, drama,
fuck.
esprix
Nov. 26th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
Indeed!
pinkvinylangel
Nov. 26th, 2008 07:30 pm (UTC)
something tells me that anyone who fits the description of an Authenticity Nazi is someone who might not have the greatest social skills to begin with...
esprix
Nov. 26th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
Oh it's totally a superiority complex, just really narrowly shunted into a very specific fandom. Thankfully it has been my experience that they are very much the minority - most folks I've encountered in the SCA have been nothing but kind, helpful, fun, intelligent and generous.
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