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Apr. 3rd, 2008


Another political thought - I think Obama should run with Clinton as her VP. Why? My thoughts (and all just my off-the-cuff opinions based on some news reports I was listening to last night on the drive home):

  • They'll unite and strengthen the party.
  • They'll have a much better shot at winning.
  • They'll have her political savvy and experience, and she can better weather what's coming between now and November.
  • He'll gain the serious political experience he needs.
  • They'll benefit from each others' differences.
  • A much better shot from VP to the presidency in 2012 or 2016 with those 4 or 8 years under his belt.
  • The most historic political ticket in U.S. history.
Personally I think it's win/win, although I'm sure neither he nor she see that now as they both genuinely want to be President, and I'm not sure that either's ego would allow them to play second fiddle, but I also believe they're both genuine about wanting to help the country (in that lofty way only politicians can be), and I wonder if this wouldn't be the ideal solution for both the Democratic party and the White House in November.

Just my thoughts. Feel free to disagree. :)

Comments

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igosm
Apr. 3rd, 2008 05:30 pm (UTC)
I like the way you think. But I wonder if their feelings might be a little to tender after the election bitterness. Obama wants Gore for working on Global warning. That's a no brainer. I hope they fill the cabinet with strong leaders. That would be the Obama advantage maybe. i don't know what Hillary would do with people challenging her all the time. She's older than me and if I can guess based on me. She has no patience left.

esprix
Apr. 3rd, 2008 09:06 pm (UTC)
If she's got no patience left, then she wouldn't be able to work with anyone. If she's smart - and I think she is - taking Obama would soften that image for her and - again, if she's smart - she'd actually listen and have him be involved in White House business.

I'm thinking perfect world, but when has that ever happened? :)
igosm
Apr. 3rd, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
High Standards and LOW expectations. That's what keeps me balanced. I hope she still has patience. She's shown an awful lot with her husband you know.. I just hope that people are not so set on one or the other that they vote republican instead. Now that would be biting of the nose to spite the face after all. We need a democrat and a very blue congress to match. That would be a first time.

I want to protect entitlement thereby assisting with the economy it's all one thing!

Emma (my new psuedonym)

PS I love your perfect world it's pretty close to MY perfect world!
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joeyhemlock
Apr. 3rd, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
Not that you could ever know who she votes for in the voting booth, but if she came out in support of McCain it'd be political suicide for her. If she loses the nomination, she'll be supporting (and likely campaigning for) Obama. And the same is true in reverse.
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trevcuteboy
Apr. 3rd, 2008 05:46 pm (UTC)
hehe I totally agree with your suggestion..EXCEPT that Obama should pick Clinton as his VP since he mostly likely will be the democratic nominee. They would be a winning ticket, actually anyone could beat a republican at this point. Bye Bye Bush..lol
esprix
Apr. 3rd, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
Um, we thought Kerry and Gore could beat Bush, so...

Anyway, I don't ever see Hillary taking VP to Obama - this could only work if he took the bottom slot, for all the reasons I listed.
jayjaybear
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:08 pm (UTC)
Maybe. If he weren't WINNING! Why should the person who IS going to be the Democratic nominee take second place to the woman who can't even run a campaign halfway decently?
esprix
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:28 am (UTC)
As I said below, it ain't over until it's over, and if she wins Pennsylvania and a few other states, we may not know who the candidate is until the actual convention (which, personally, I think is more fun, but anyway). Plus, as I said above, I didn't say it was realistic, I was saying it was, to me, an ideal situation for both of their careers, for the Democratic party, and for the country. :)
darrelx
Apr. 3rd, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
It's a nice idea to elect a woman... or a black man... for the sake of them being female or black... but it's just too bad that NEITHER of them is qualified to be the Chief Executive of the United States Government and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

"The United States is the greatest nation on earth, and we must change it" --Barak Obama.

"I served 8 years in the White House as the first lady" -- Laura Bush

(For the record, I don't like McAmnesty's bid for the office, either, but at least he can command the military)

joeyhemlock
Apr. 3rd, 2008 09:37 pm (UTC)
"The United States is the greatest nation on earth, and we must change it" --Barak Obama.

He never said it. It's totally made up.

Other than that, we can agree to disagree (I tend liberal, obviously), but I just wanted to clear up that misquote.

Edited at 2008-04-03 10:50 pm (UTC)
esprix
Apr. 4th, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)
How did I know you'd respond? :P
esprix
Apr. 25th, 2008 06:33 pm (UTC)
Heh, just ran across this on Snopes and figured I'd pass it along to you:

The quote you attribute to Obama isn't true. Just sayin'. :)
akirashima
Apr. 3rd, 2008 06:27 pm (UTC)
personally i am all about it. which ever one wins the nomination should take the other as vice president. and in an ideal world this would happen
however humans are far from ideal and have serious ego problems
No wonder buddhists see ego as the really bad part of humans
paladin_of_gaia
Apr. 3rd, 2008 06:36 pm (UTC)
Would be awesome, will never happened, too many large egos involved...I'm very disgusted with Hillary right now, but I still think she'd do a good job.
jezebelleinhell
Apr. 3rd, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
I don't think Shrillery would play second fiddle to Obama but Obama would take a VP role to Shrillary. Of course, that's if she doesn't just bash him all to pieces the way she tends t do.
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esprix
Apr. 3rd, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC)
Hillary as VP would never work. Obama as VP would.
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jbriggs
Apr. 3rd, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC)
Why would Obama want to do that considering he's going to win the nomination?
esprix
Apr. 3rd, 2008 08:34 pm (UTC)
I realize that's the prevailing wisdom, but I'm holding out until I hear opera coming from Hans' house. :)
jbriggs
Apr. 3rd, 2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
Since you live 3000 miles from Hans' house, you must have pretty sharp hearing!
esprix
Apr. 3rd, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
I'm cool like that. :)
joeyhemlock
Apr. 3rd, 2008 09:28 pm (UTC)
I think Obama will win the nomination, and the point will be moot. If he does win the nomination, I don't think Hillary is the best choice for VP due to the fact that a significant portion of the voting public hate her (rightly or wrongly). I think Richardson is a possibility, but there are many others, too.

On the other hand, if Clinton wins, I think she pretty much has to go with Obama as VP. If she wins, I think it'll have to be through superdelegates, and that will make it look like (again, rightly or wrongly) she stole the nomination. That would piss off a lot of Obama supporters, myself included, and making Obama VP would be the only way to get many of those votes back. This is especially true with a middle-of-the-road Republican like McCain, who many Democrats could stomach as President.

Of course, I'm also not convinced that Hillary would beat McCain in a general election, again due to the fact that so many people have such a strong dislike of her. My sister is a perfect example; She is moderate tending conservative, but she likes Obama and HATES Hillary, even though it could be argued that Obama is more liberal than her.

It should also be noted that this is all opinion and I could be talking out of my figurative ass.
jayjaybear
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes. The part of "Hillary Clinton, Democratic nominee" that scares me the most is that the ONLY thing that's guaranteed to get Republicans to the polls in larger numbers than Hillary Clinton as a candidate is an invasion of gay Mexican Muslims coming to steal our guns and get abortions.
sftyson
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:09 pm (UTC)
My 2 cents worth
While there is talk that an Obama/Clinton as well as a Clinton/Obama ticket would be a "dream ticket", I venture to say that it would be a dream ticket....a "bad dream ticket". I don't think the dems will win it that way. Just a gut feeling I guess. I have no idea who Clinton should run as her VP should she get the nom. I think a possibility could be Obama/Richardson though. I do think that Edwards will be in a dem white house is some post.
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