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You know, I just watched the video of the UF student getting tasered for disrupting a presentation by John Kerry. He took too much time at the mic, was asked to leave, didn't, a uniformed police officer asked him to leave, he resisted, another came to assist physically escorting him from the hall, he continued to resist, 2 more officers came in, he continued to resist, they warned him he would be tased, he continued to resist, he got tased, and guess what? He finally stopped resisting.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy. When a uniformed police officer makes a request of you, YOU DO IT. When the fuck are people going to learn this? Who cares if you're guilty or not? One way or another, a uniformed police officer (who may very well be ARMED) will get you to do what he asks you. If your civil liberties are at stake, then you'll get your say in court - AFTERWARDS. In the here and now, you're an idiot to resist, especially when it started out calm and orderly - it wasn't until HE started throwing a tantrum that more officers were forced to get involved.

Who knew if he had a gun? Was on drugs? Was dangerous? Police don't know that - they're going to react to the situation at hand, and they know first hand how quickly things can get out of control. And if he was dangerous and managed to hurt someone, the same people screaming "Injustice!" would be wondering why the police presence didn't do something to stop him.

Look, I'm all for civil liberties. I support the ACLU. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal. But that kid deserved it, and - lucky him - he'll be alive afterwards to sue the pants off the college. In a different situation, if he'd done what he did there, he could have gotten himself killed.

Here's a link to a video. You'll note that it starts when he's asked to leave, but news reports are saying he was asked to stop beforehand because he was being an annoying git. There are other videoes of him afterwards, too, much more calm but still standing there wondering, "What did I do?" Idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

Edited 9/20 to add: I've been looking over the UF website, and they posted the actual police report. What the videoes don't show you is that the Q&A session was over, and he was farther back in line, so what does he do? He runs up to the mic and demands to be heard, and officers tell him no, but guess what? Kerry agreed to take a question, but instead of asking one, he starts rambling, including asking about Clinton's blowjob, so they cut off his mic. That's about where the video starts. Yeah, he's a real martyr to the cause, that one...

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jezebelleinhell
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:15 am (UTC)
I heard somewhere today that the kid was a constant practical joker and asked two people, one he knew one he didn't, to video what he wa about to do. Then I heard Kerry let the guy speak at the mic when they were actually done because he was yelling up to Kerry that he was gong to be arrested or something and Kerry said that he thought he was stopping a riot (something along those lines).

Then the kid did all that crap.

So, he's just lucky that they only had tazers. Because in my day he woulda been shot dead. Kerry's a big guy in politics they don't mess around when it comes to security.

He'll sue and get rich.
jsciv
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
Another film NBC dug up is him standing on a streetcorner on the day that the last Harry Potter book came out with a giant sign proclaiming "HARRY DIES" to all of the passing cars, including some cops who came by and told him "that's so wrong."

He's looking for attention and he got it. He won't sue unless it's to get more attention -- he doesn' have a case. I would doubt that anyone would actually WANT to get hit with a taser, but he was very obviously pushing the situation as far as he could to get as much attention as he could. He's probably enjoying the crap out of the play it's getting.
esprix
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:47 pm (UTC)
I believe he really thought he could get away with asking just a couple more questions (he probably had the whole thing scripted in his head and just wanted to finish the "scene"), so when the officer approached him he was like, "No, wait, just one more second," and then before he knew it, they were physically accosting him, and that threw him for a loop, messed up the script, and he started freaking out. He seemed sincere in his, "What did I do?" cries, as if the whole thing was just so shocking to him. However, when there are 6 guys on top of you, you stop resisting, regardless of what you had planned.

Now, *afterwards* I think he's going to milk it, for sure.
jsciv
Sep. 20th, 2007 05:57 pm (UTC)
Sorry, but I think he's an attention-seeker who purposely pushed the boundaries and reacted in a way designed to try and play to the cameras and scream for publicity. He knew what he was doing and deserved what he got.
esprix
Sep. 20th, 2007 07:08 pm (UTC)
You may very well be right, based on the fact that he fancies himself a comedian and performance artist. Wouldn't surprise me if you're right.
esprix
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:45 pm (UTC)
That explains why there were two cameras filming it (I've seen it from two different angles, one from the back and one from the front). And from reports, he did ask a legitimate question, but then wouldn't stop, and started asking wiseass questions, like if Kerry was a part of Skull & Bones or whatever. Frankly he made himself sound like a fringe looney, which is not the wisest idea when it's post 9/11 and there's a U.S. senator in the room. Dumbass.

I'm really hoping the investigation proves the officers did nothing wrong, and then he can sue to his little heart's content and get nothing.
darrelx
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:29 am (UTC)
I feel sorry for the two officers who (after doing their job) are now in administrative leave.

Sucks to be them.

According to Bill O'Reilly today, Police officers stated that the whole time they were taking him in for booking he was calm and actually jovial... asking if the press was going to be there... then as soon as he was around the media again, he started throwing a tantrum and shouting about his 1st ammendment rights.

Yeah, he planned this whole thing for the media attention. I hope they throw the book at him.
esprix
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:48 pm (UTC)
Actually I'm not surprised that leave was imposed, if only because there's an investigation. That seems SOP to me, but hopefully they'll be restored quickly to their jobs.

As far as playing it up for the cameras, I'd have to see proof. I honestly believe the kid just freaked out when he realized he was being arrested.
pinoyheadhunter
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:48 am (UTC)
Big story! I saw it on primetime news here in the Philippines! On the surface, it looks like police brutality.
esprix
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:50 pm (UTC)
Not even close. First of all, the kid was asked to leave before they ever even touched him, and he wouldn't. He resisted quite forcefully for a while until they finally got around to using the taser on him. Plus, he's lucky they used tasers - in other circumstances they might have used a billy club or a gun. The kid got off lucky.
[no subject] - colinblackthorn - Sep. 20th, 2007 01:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
esprix
Sep. 20th, 2007 02:27 pm (UTC)
Yup. I was just looking over the police report on the UF website, and he basically bullied his way to the mic, made a nuisance of himself, and then refused to leave. He's the one that chose to escalate the situation by being an ignorant jackass.
dragonblink
Sep. 20th, 2007 05:20 am (UTC)
His behavior in that video, even without any context or backstory, just SCREAMS "douche who wants to make as big a scene as he can so he can get on the news".

And all the gullible people are right behind him going "ZOMG FASCISTS I FUCKING HATE AMERICA POLICE BRUTALITY FIRST AMENDMENT BLAH BLAH BLAH" without stopping to notice that, say ... not a single one of the people in the audience so much as stood up? That they cheered when the police stepped forward? Compare this to the video from when that guy was tasered in the UCLA library. Every single student in the room was on their feet, pushing forward, asking for badge numbers and begging them not to taser him.

There are a lot of freedoms being stepped on in this country as it is, without assholes like this pretending to be freedom fighters. It's the whiny asshole equivalent of lying about being raped.
esprix
Sep. 20th, 2007 12:58 pm (UTC)
I actually look at the UCLA library guy the same way. He didn't have his ID, which was clearly stated as a requirement for being in the library at that time. When he was asked to produce it or leave, he refused. Who knows who this guy is? Like the UF guy, he could have been dangerous, and the stuff that cops do isn't to be mean to them, it's to protect everyone else. Again, if either one of them had ended up hurting someone, how many people would have been pissed at the cops for not doing anything about it or enforcing the rules that everyone's supposed to follow?
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