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LJ woes, continued


So much going on with LJ:

Barak's follow-up to their follow-up to their fuck-up

Barak's announcement of the permanent account sale and a list of 6A's intentions

The official announcement of the permanent account sale and much rehashing of Strikethrough 2007.

Lots of people questioning LJ's timing of the incident and the sale, asking when these nebulous changes are going into effect (and what LJ means by "willing to host"), and a WHOLE lot of "I was going to go perm but now I'm rethinking" or just flat out "no frelling way." And an interesting new community has sprouted up: never_permanent.

So much fallout, but I empathize. I've had a perm account since the 2005 sale, and I don't regret it, and deep down I want to believe that LJ is still a worthwhile community, but there is a nagging part of me that not only feels very strongly for the fanfic communities affected by this nonsense, but I also wonder - will I be next? Yes, it's just a blog, but it's still very disturbing and uncomfortable for me.

Edited to add: hughcasey posted about the same group that got the accounts banned in the first place is now targetting LJ advertisers. Thinking of the children, or internet thugs? You decide!

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av8rmike
Jun. 20th, 2007 11:59 am (UTC)
It occurred to me last night while reading some of the news comments: Substitute "SDMB" for "LJ" and "paying to post" for "permanent account" and it's the exact same tune. The comments are almost directly transferable:
"The moderation/management here is terrible"
"If you hate it so much, why are you staying?"
"So many people talk about leaving, but they don't actually leave" and so forth. I don't know what the effect of it all is going to be, but I'm passing on the account sale again, although not because of this. I'm passing because it's a lot of money, six years is a long time in Internet Time to get one's money's worth, and I barely use all of my Paid Account features as it is.
esprix
Jun. 20th, 2007 12:14 pm (UTC)
Excellent observation, although I can't think of anything SDMB did that was as egregious and that affected so many people as Strikethrough 2007. As many problems as the Dope has (remember, I was suspended once, myself), I never felt that level of discomfort there (and although I wasn't one of the affected accounts, it really did give me great pause).

Yet I still have paid accounts on both services. Funny that. I guess, deep down, I still believe in them as communities, even if I am sometimes unsure of their owner's business decisions.
av8rmike
Jun. 20th, 2007 12:59 pm (UTC)
I don't remember any mass witchhunts on the Dope either, just lots of suspensions and bannings for shifting interpretations of the "Don't Be a Jerk" rule. People were constantly threatening to vote with their feet, demanding clarifications on the rule before they would pay anything. The trouble (on both sites) is that you can never really know how much financial support the business' practices are costing. Like I said, I have my own reasons for skipping on the permanent account, independent of 6A's management. I prefer having the option to deny payment whenever I want, which I wouldn't if I'd given them all the money up front.
esprix
Jun. 20th, 2007 01:38 pm (UTC)
True dat. I'm discovering that perm members are sometimes treated as red-headed stepchildren - can't get rid of them, but there's no reason to please them, but of course you don't tell *them* that.

In comparison, I'm actually more likely to say that the Dope played more fast and loose with their interpretations of the rules, but, as you say, it simply never affected as many people all at once, which to me seems just as bad.
eridun
Jun. 20th, 2007 01:58 pm (UTC)
I'm passing on a perm acct this time around as well, part because I don't have the free cash and part because I don't really see the need. I don't know what my future blogging will be and honestly, I'm ok with a yearly thing.

The rehashing of the strikethrough thing is, in my opinion, just another telling of the same thing that everyone has already said. There are more posts about this out there now than almost anything and this sale just gave more fuel to that fire. It was just a few embers, things were begining to get back to normal a little and this just fanned it back up. Honestly - I know that it was difficult for a lot of people and I have been through this with CafePress (in that case it was a store I made money with and so when they deleted it they cut into my income - slightly more important than a blog and there were just as many of us affected) but you know what? We've all stopped posting about it in the CP boards. It's over. It's done. Reparations have been made and many appologies given.

I know journals are people's babies, I don't discount their worthiness or their necessity in people's lives. But there is a point at which you have to say, it's done and I give no more energy to this issue.

just sayin.
esprix
Jun. 20th, 2007 06:17 pm (UTC)
I think an argument could be made that the sale simply went ahead too soon. With a LOT of unanswered policy questions and proposed changes, offering up a plate full of perm probably wasn't the best idea right about now.
eridun
Jun. 20th, 2007 07:39 pm (UTC)
I can agree to that. this does look a lot like a PR patch.
esprix
Jun. 20th, 2007 08:52 pm (UTC)
Actually, I don't think it was a PR patch, I think it was a PR oversight - they had probably already picked the date and just went ahead without thinking what it would seem like. They should have held off for a while longer.
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