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Episcopalian schism?


Interesting opinion piece in the Washington Post today about the Virginia Episcopal parishes who have split from the denomination:

Whether it was the thought of a woman presiding over God's own country club or of gays snuggling under its eaves, it was all too much for a distinct minority of Episcopalians. The dissident parishes in the Virginia diocese contain only about 5 percent of the state's parishioners. But it's the church the defectors have latched on to that makes this schism news.

In slamming the door on their American co-religionists, the two largest parishes, which are in Fairfax City and Falls Church, also announced their affiliation with the Episcopal Church of Nigeria. The presiding Nigerian archbishop, Peter Akinola, promotes legislation in his country that would forbid gays and lesbians to form organizations or to eat together in restaurants and that would send them to jail for indulging in same-gender sexual activity.
I'd thought that the Baptists were on the verge of a schism, and now it seems like the Episcopals are as well. And it's one thing to have a theological difference of opinion (as bigotted as it is, and certainly not one I agree with), but to align yourselves with someone who wants to take away fundamental human rights? Yeah. I'd say those Virginians were hoodwinked and didn't know exactly who they were aligning themselves with, but somehow I think they know perfectly well who they're lying down with.

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esprix
Dec. 20th, 2006 05:31 pm (UTC)
I think it's great that the majority of the denomination are people of conscience and this is only a close-minded minority (albeit a vocal one). But if that's what their congregations want, then so be it. I can only hope that the Episcopal powers that be accept that instead of kowtowing to them. Sadly, it looks like they're taking them very seriously.
paladin_of_gaia
Dec. 20th, 2006 05:44 pm (UTC)
It really is upsetting. Incidentally, I just watched V For Vendetta this weekend, which amoung other things featured a sceen with two seperate gay couples being arrested in their homes by the fascist style state they lived in. Not that far fetched, it seems.
akirashima
Dec. 20th, 2006 05:47 pm (UTC)
i am so stealing this icon of your ok?
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esprix
Dec. 20th, 2006 07:31 pm (UTC)
Yup, I remember those parts of the movie well. That's why the film was still so relevant today.
akirashima
Dec. 20th, 2006 05:45 pm (UTC)
and all i say is sigh
this all makes me sick really it does
esprix
Dec. 20th, 2006 07:31 pm (UTC)
I mean, you want to say, "Live and let live," but it's so disheartening. Bah.
akirashima
Dec. 20th, 2006 09:56 pm (UTC)
oh yeah. it is more and more disheartening the more it goes on. espeically when i thought for certain that people would be able to know what the agenda of the fundies was and be able to react in a way that does not encourage it. but alas it is not to be and because they said that people would react exactly as they do it proves to thier mindless flocks that they are right and that the holy war they are fighting is ordained and on track for the armegedon
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montrealais
Dec. 20th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC)
Here in Canada, a couple of parishes in BC tried the same trick for the same reasons, placing themselves under the archbishop of ... Rwanda.
esprix
Dec. 20th, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC)
Because we all know how liberal those two countries are. :/
velikij
Dec. 21st, 2006 01:17 am (UTC)
In general religion-based homophobia is not based on the roots of the religion alone, but on the biases of the surrounding culture. Christian missionaries in the 19th century and in the early 20th century taught fairly conservative versions of various European denominations to the people in the colonies, and that combined with whatever the original cutural biases were to result in the present situation.

I'm sure the schismatic Episcopalians in Virginia and elsewhere knew full well what they were doing when they hitched up with the conservative Africans.

I left the Episcopal Church in my late teens because my gayness was clearly incompatible with the public face of the church in 1960. Within four years I found out that in fact the clergy were full of crypto-queers; I ended up living with the organist of an Episcopal parish and soon realized that the priests of the parish I went to while in high school were probably gay; they were all unmarried and three of them lived together. Also their 11 am Sunday service seemed to require the attendance of a dozen or so acolytes, typically very cute boys. Alas, I had no idea anyone else but myself was queer.

Can the schismatic Anglicans have had any idea things were like that all along? Who knows!
iampunha
Dec. 21st, 2006 02:05 am (UTC)
"Yeah. I'd say those Virginians were hoodwinked and didn't know exactly who they were aligning themselves with, but somehow I think they know perfectly well who they're lying down with."

Bearing in mind that this is the same state that brought you the necessity of Loving v. Virginia in the 1960s, I'd recommend against being surprised by any bigotry coming from here.

On the other hand, maybe they're aligning themselves with a Nigerian Church because they think they could acquire a multi-million dollar handling fee. I have this Nigerian widow friend, and she said that if I just send her my bank routing number...
esprix
Dec. 21st, 2006 03:20 am (UTC)
GOOD BLESSINGS UP ON YOU AND THANKS BE TO GOD FOR YOUR FINANCIAL FAVOR!
boywhocantsayno
Dec. 21st, 2006 05:05 am (UTC)
This made the newspapers up here. I'm not surprised at all - I think this was in the air for a while. I haven't read the Advocate in months - I let my subscription expire because they were all just piling up - but I seem to remember seeing some rumblings about it in there.
esprix
Dec. 21st, 2006 05:15 am (UTC)
As with the Baptists (and even the Methodists) these things have been brewing for quite some time.
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