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Happy fuckin' holidays!

For those of you under the mistaken impression that there is some kind of war on Christmas, I present to you:

Fuck Christmas.

Quite enlightening.


Dec. 15th, 2005 05:32 pm (UTC)
It wasn't "my" report... it was linked to in the author's rant (see the 5th paragraph, the word "Iraq" is the link to the page I referred to)

As for the anti-jewish rant... it's the author's place to provide *some* evidence that there is *any* anti-jewish sentiment going on... not the other way around. Dismissing the War on Christmas as some anti-semite activity is pure speculation on his part, and I was providing evidence to the contrary.
Dec. 15th, 2005 06:54 pm (UTC)
You still haven't made a point.

Jayna Davis wrote a painstakingly researched book (the research might be crap, but it's definitely thorough). John Gibson extrapolates this book into a government conspiracy theory, claiming George W. Bush is some sort of valiant rebel who is using this information to drive his foreign policy while the rest of the government ignores and supresses it.

If you want to show that John Gibson isn't a crackpot, you have to analyze what he said, and the claims of Davis' book, not just link back to it. You'll also have to refute his statements that if Rove outed Plame he should be given a medal. I guess national security isn't national security sometimes.

As for the anti-Jewish rant? I don't think there's any global War on the Jewish War on Christmas anymore. Note I said "anymore." If you look back to previous "War on Christmas" episodes, the John Birch Society and Henry Ford each lead wars on the "War on Christmas" and these were strongly anti-semetic efforts.

This time, not so much. This time it's a war on secularism (strange, as "Christmas is a secular holiday" is so strong an argument in favor now), and Jews are just another facet in the grand secular conspiracy against Christmas.

Still, when Gibson, in his own words, says the wagers of the war on Christmas are not just Jewish people methinks I see some scapegoating going on. When O'Reilly tells a Jewish caller, calling in during a segment decrying the secularization of Christianity, talking about the parallels with the secularization of Judaism, but feeling that the Christmas machine is an attempt to convert him, if you are really offended, you gotta go to Israel then, I see a bit of "good Jew, bad Jew."

The fact that there is a Jewish organization that has hopped on the bandwagon doesn't change what Gibson, O'Reilly and some of the other political and media figures banging the "War on Christmas" drum are saying. It just strikes me as "We're the good Jews, they're the bad Jews, and they're not talking about us"

If you want to make the point that Gibson and O'Reilly aren't making anti-Jewish statements, you have to show that all those radio recordings and video appearances where they make anti-Jewish statements are fake, not throw up a Jewish organization who supports them as a smoke-screen.
Dec. 15th, 2005 07:07 pm (UTC)

Read this.

Click through on the "read for free" link and let the stupid ad play for a minute, and continue on to the article.

Charles Haynes, one of the heros of Gibson's War on Christmas book disagrees with Gibson's characterization that there is a War on Christmas.

A spokesman for the Alliance Defense Fund dismisses all of the cases where the ACLU stepped in to advocate for Christians and religious display. Even though there are cases where the ACLU has advocated for the distribution of Christmas cards by students, allowing students to bring bibles to school, and the placement of creches on public property.

No, you wouldn't want to read about that.
Dec. 15th, 2005 07:08 pm (UTC)
Oops... let's try a link to the first page
Dec. 15th, 2005 08:56 pm (UTC)
Why are you focusing on the anti-semitic aspect? He brought up a lot of other fairly valid points as well.
Dec. 15th, 2005 10:28 pm (UTC)
Yes, he brought up a whole SLEW of points... validity, though, is in dispute.

However, I only replied to the ones I immediately recognized as being invalid points... I was not eager to nitpick through the rest of them, so I didn't.

Oh... BTW, this is the same guy apparently who put up the website fuckthesouth.com... His rant on that site is even less coherent, focusing obviously on the red-state/blue-state maps after the last election being compared to the civil war's North v. South states... which was quickly denounced first by the county-by-county maps, then the "shades of purple" maps that showed that the country is really much more diverse than North v. South.

In my opinion, this guy is just a hothead who loves to rant... facts be damned.
Dec. 15th, 2005 10:30 pm (UTC)
I haven't found any significant flaws in his arguments and facts, or at least anything significant enough to say he's 100% wrong.

It's obvious you disagree with him, but I still think his points are quite valid, regardless of whether you qualify it as a rant or not.

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