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Freedom isn't all about warfare

I like what my friend cutegaychick said today:

"I like veterans. I really do - they do good work and people shoot at them and that's gotta suck. Also they look hot in uniform. But since everyone else is thanking the veterans and giving the I'm instead going to thank all of the protesters, the people who won't say the pledge, the ACLU, the people who sue to keep prayer out of public school, the people who guard our freedom of speech and the people who march and stand up and sometimes die to protect us from ourselves. Cause soldiers do an excellent job of keeping the oil flowing, they do an excellent job of keeping the Nazis out of France and they do an excellent job of assassinating terrorists. But protesters and conscientious objectors do an excellent job of defending our freedom. And they do it for free. And for that, they get ridiculed, they get beaten, they get jailed, they get harassed and they get told that soldiers are defending their rights. I like soldiers, but they're defending our lives and our interests. The people who stand up and object are the ones defending our rights. And soldiers get free ice cream, they get pay, they get medals, they get discounted theater tickets. Protesters get hit by cops and scorned by pretty much everyone. And I am reminded that "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to your enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to your friends."

So thanks to both groups - the soldiers and the people who peacefully object. This is a great place to live and you all do a great job of keeping it that way."

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akirashima
Nov. 11th, 2011 07:23 pm (UTC)
yeah thats cute except it was marines that took the gas canister to the head from the cops in Oakland. and it has been returning troops that have taken to keeping those protesters safe. and they are not getting ice cream and paid or medals for that. I am glad that they thank the vets too but they make them sound so bad in that. fighting for only oil. it is not that simple. and we know i dislike the military. but what they do is a lot more than that. and a lot of them are doing it because as the protestors show right now college costs a fuckton and many are sacrificing their lives and health just to get money to go to college.
esprix
Nov. 11th, 2011 07:29 pm (UTC)
I didn't say veterans don't deserve credit for what they do, I'm saying they don't deserve ALL the credit for protecting our freedoms.
jbriggs
Nov. 12th, 2011 04:22 pm (UTC)
The problem as I see it ..
The day is not about honoring those who engage(d) in warfare, it's about honoring those who signed away their rights to freedom for a while in order to safeguard those who didn't. Bully for all the CO's and protesters, and thanks a bunch for all their good works, but they didn't with forethought place their own lives at risk for people they didn't know.

Pointing that out on November 11th (the anniversary commemorating the end of at that time the most brutal war in history), dishonors those who chose in writing to put their life on the line to protect those who didn't. You want a "Thank the Protestors Day"? Lobby your congressman to get it enacted. You want to slap veterans in the face? Belittle their service on the day set aside to thank them.
esprix
Nov. 14th, 2011 12:56 am (UTC)
Re: The problem as I see it ..
First, those who protest DO with forethought place their own lives at risk for people they don't know. I'm sure the folks in Oakland didn't plan on getting beaten up by cops.

Second, I don't see the above as a slap in the face of veterans at all; in fact, both my father and Quincy were veterans, as well as many friends of mine, so even though I'd never serve myself, I don't belittle their dedication or service one bit. I just find all the gushing about how the military is the ONLY way we stay free gets a little frustrating when it's clear a lot of people contribute to the freedoms this country enjoys.
jbriggs
Nov. 14th, 2011 01:14 am (UTC)
Re: The problem as I see it ..
Why make a big deal about Christmas on December the 25th? Don't Jews, Moslems, and Latter Day Saints celebrate the same god? Why make a big deal about Disneyland? Didn't Tex Avery make cartoons too? November the 11th is a day designated virtually worldwide to honor veterans. Saying "but they didn't do it alone, all these other people were doing things too" subtracts from that honor and, more to the point, is wrong. People who go to a protest do not a priori believe someone is going to harm them; if they did they'd all have gas masks, helmets, and flak jackets. Every veteran in the world understands that at almost any time they could be shot at, in peacetime or at war, at home or abroad. (Examples: Pearl Harbor; During Viet Nam, a Marine I know says he was shot at while on guard duty at Camp Pendleton; I believe I was shot at during guard duty in Germany by the Red Army Faction)

If you fail to see the point I'm trying to make then that's terribly sad thing. Hooray for all "those others", laud them if you wish, but please don't lump them together with Veterans. It's a different league. Entirely.
esprix
Nov. 14th, 2011 11:31 pm (UTC)
Re: The problem as I see it ..
I'll back away from the hot button issue now. Bygones! :)
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